20 January, 2006

Frost on The Shaping of Things To Come

Had a great meeting with Roy and Scott today. Great guys doing some awesome things in Dublin. Roy pointed me to some Mike Frost lectures in which he goes through the main themes in his book. Download and listen to the mp3s when you get the chance.

3 comments:

knnuki said...

I've just finished reading this book, Matt, and have found it hugely stimulating/helpful/needed. One of my great frustrations in this whole business is that many are saying "things need to be different" but not many are actually willing to pay the price required to do things radically differently. Frost and Hirsch speak to this on page 67 of Shaping:

We have found that some people who can cognitively agree with the philosophy of the incarnational-church mode, still have great difficulty with it in practice. The attractional mode is so pervasive and so entrenched in the Western church that those who have grown up in it sometimes have a kind of default program in their imaginations. They can agree with the need for significant change, but they readily default back to standard practices in reality.

knnuki said...

That last comment posted itself (?) before I had a chance to finish! I wonder if some of us also suffer from the malady they describe; is our "churchy" default setting so strong that it is nearly impossible - or requires somethign cataclysmic - to reset? Just wondering...

mhkingsley said...

Thanks for sharing that quote. I totally agree and feel the same way, often about myself, forcing me to ask, "why am I doing this?" I think this is why we need community so much in this Journey. We need to be able to look at each other and ask that question. Do we honestly believe we need radical change or do we just find the rhetoric nice on the ears?